, the most controversial supreme court nominees, douglas, frankfurter, brandeis, confirmed overwhelmingly, and so recently now, imagine sonja soto mayor or elena kagan, it was party versus party. people have strong feelings then just like they do now. they found a way to come together to govern as a snags. there has been a time when you did on all kinds of budget issues, you would come together and say we'll get something done as a currenountry. >> when we talk about more are bipartisanship is that because of blue dog democrats, a group of southern segregationists that kept voting with republicans, is that why it looked like bipartisanship? >> that's right. i think racial issues create internal division which allowed southern democrats to vote with republicans which made it look like more bipartisanship. and, in fact, there was, we saw those cross-party coalitions. >> but the cross party coalitions didn't mean there was this ideological give and take, and moving people forward. >> the example i just gave, it was republicans, bran dice and frankfurter and douglas or medicare social securit
